Comments on: Acronyms http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/ Always one character away from perfetcion Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:22:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Assaf http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4597 Assaf Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:08:40 +0000 http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4597 Wrong content: any time you use the acronym tag for an abbreviation. An acronym, however, is also an abbreviation. Wrong content: any time you use the acronym tag for an abbreviation. An acronym, however, is also an abbreviation.

]]> By: apotheon http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4596 apotheon Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:23:18 +0000 http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4596 "IE 6 will show the abbr tag, just not the tooltip." . . . which is what differentiates text with the abbr or acronym tag from untagged text. Kinda pointless. "Seeing that IE 6 is diminishing, I would not change the content to suite IE 6, maybe resort to a PHP/JavaScript hack to make abbr behave like acronym." I have readers who would be inconvenienced by a JavaScript hack, to say nothing of the fact that's a "solution" that requires more effort for the same effects in fewer cases. "If I don’t care to hack the template, I definitely don’t care to create the wrong content." You must have a very weird definition of the terms in the phrase "the wrong content" here. “IE 6 will show the abbr tag, just not the tooltip.”

. . . which is what differentiates text with the abbr or acronym tag from untagged text. Kinda pointless.

“Seeing that IE 6 is diminishing, I would not change the content to suite IE 6, maybe resort to a PHP/JavaScript hack to make abbr behave like acronym.”

I have readers who would be inconvenienced by a JavaScript hack, to say nothing of the fact that’s a “solution” that requires more effort for the same effects in fewer cases.

“If I don’t care to hack the template, I definitely don’t care to create the wrong content.”

You must have a very weird definition of the terms in the phrase “the wrong content” here.

]]> By: Assaf http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4593 Assaf Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:38:43 +0000 http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4593 IE 6 will show the abbr tag, just not the tooltip. IE 7 fixes that bug. So look at your stats and decide if you even care. Seeing that IE 6 is diminishing, I would not change the content to suite IE 6, maybe resort to a PHP/JavaScript hack to make abbr behave like acronym. But on my blog IE 6 usage is low and dropping steadily, that I don't care enough to hack the template. If I don't care to hack the template, I definitely don't care to create the wrong content. IE 6 will show the abbr tag, just not the tooltip. IE 7 fixes that bug. So look at your stats and decide if you even care.

Seeing that IE 6 is diminishing, I would not change the content to suite IE 6, maybe resort to a PHP/JavaScript hack to make abbr behave like acronym. But on my blog IE 6 usage is low and dropping steadily, that I don’t care enough to hack the template. If I don’t care to hack the template, I definitely don’t care to create the wrong content.

]]> By: Chad Perrin: SOB » tooltips for text on the Web http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4591 Chad Perrin: SOB » tooltips for text on the Web Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:56:21 +0000 http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4591 [...] at Lunar Ocean, Antoine Toulme commented on my use of the <acronym> tag. He was apparently not familiar with the <acronym> tag in HTML 4 and XHTML 1.x. For those who [...] […] at Lunar Ocean, Antoine Toulme commented on my use of the <acronym> tag. He was apparently not familiar with the <acronym> tag in HTML 4 and XHTML 1.x. For those who […]

]]> By: apotheon http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4590 apotheon Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:16:41 +0000 http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4590 No . . . you'd better stick with acronym for now. 1. HTML 5 isn't a standard yet. 2. XHTML still supports the acronym tag. 3. The abbr tag is not supported by Internet Explorer. Also . . . make sure your CSS provides styling for the acronym tag to give it that underline, if you want everyone to see the underline. While Firefox automatically styles acronym tags that way, that styling is not part of the HTML/XHTML standard, and IE doesn't provide any default styling for the acronym tag. This means that text in an acronym tag in IE doesn't automatically render any differently than other text, and this behavior is actually standards compliant. So . . . to summarize: Use acronym instead of abbr for now, because IE doesn't support abbr. Make sure your site's CSS includes styling for the acronym tag so that acronyms will stand out from the surrounding text. No . . . you’d better stick with acronym for now.

1. HTML 5 isn’t a standard yet.

2. XHTML still supports the acronym tag.

3. The abbr tag is not supported by Internet Explorer.

Also . . . make sure your CSS provides styling for the acronym tag to give it that underline, if you want everyone to see the underline. While Firefox automatically styles acronym tags that way, that styling is not part of the HTML/XHTML standard, and IE doesn’t provide any default styling for the acronym tag. This means that text in an acronym tag in IE doesn’t automatically render any differently than other text, and this behavior is actually standards compliant.

So . . . to summarize:

Use acronym instead of abbr for now, because IE doesn’t support abbr.

Make sure your site’s CSS includes styling for the acronym tag so that acronyms will stand out from the surrounding text.

]]> By: Antoine Toulme http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4588 Antoine Toulme Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:00:44 +0000 http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4588 Thanks! Thanks!

]]> By: Assaf http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4587 Assaf Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:49:38 +0000 http://www.lunar-ocean.com/blog/acronyms/#comment-4587 Use abbr instead, acronym is deprecated in HTML 5, time to start not using it. Use abbr instead, acronym is deprecated in HTML 5, time to start not using it.

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